Andrew: Nothing to do with that. Stephen: So what you see, after that indictment is read, in 1 Enoch and in Slavonic Enoch and in the Apocalypse of Abraham, the same thing happens to Azazel in all of them: Azazel gets bound and chained up and thrown into a hole in the ground and imprisoned there until the end of days, until the day of the Lord, at which point he will be released briefly and then thrown into the lake of fire. Im just going to say that at the outset. Stephen: Let me throw you one quick correction here. Fr. Fr. On our next episode, were going to be starting a two-part series on sacred geography. Stephen writes in the preface, the Orthodox Churchproclaims that its liturgical ritual and way of life are in complete continuity with that of the apostles This book makes that case. Then the books conclusion has a couple pages suggesting that the Eastern Orthodox Church of today is the most faithful continuation of the apostles legacy. Fr. Stephen: Were going to talk about this more in the second half, but Azazel, this spirit, is seen as sort of the source of sin and corruption that has come into the camp, and so its basically being sent back to it. Fr. It has to be made holy, set apart again for the use of God alone. Stephen: And without going down the whole rabbit-trail of when you can and cant touch the ark, because thats a whole separate thing. Our sins came back to us!. Fr. You can download the paper by clicking the button above. That might sound familiar to some folks who have read the book of Revelation, because this is exactly what happens to the dragon: hes seized by an angel, hes bound, hes thrown into a pit, hes kept there, and then on the last day hes released briefly and then thrown into the lake of fire. Fr. Fr. [Laughter]. Stephen: Right, that was later. And who or what is atoned for? And you know, when an apostle interprets the Old Testament for you? Stephen: Yeah. Yeah, thats not in the Greek. Stephen: Or even mercy-seat bands, if we want to be really old school. Andrew: And hes driven outside of the city. Is he just saying, Im going to come into this. Instead of avoiding or invalidating problem passages out of discomfort, Fr. All right, so weve covered the basics of the Day of Atonement ritual and the two goats, here on Goat Week on The Lord of Spirits, and were going to get back in just a moment, but first were going to take a short break, so well be right back. Why is that aww! Its not a big mystery. I will not. He's the host of the Whole Counsel of God podcast and a co-host of the Lord of Spirits podcast from Ancient Faith. And then this triggers everything: this triggers St. Pauls mission now out to the nations, to go and sort of re-take them. He wants them to repent of those sins and to be purified by his coming. Stephen wrote his PhD dissertation on the atonement, so he is well-qualified to address the issue. Fr. No, I know what youre saying. Stephen: Yes, involving metallurgy for weapons of war and those kind of things. Fr. Follow Stephen De Young and explore their bibliography from Amazon.com's Stephen De Young Author Page. So the death of the goat for Yahweh has no theological meaning, because it goes unmentioned. Fr. Stephen: Im Um, actually"ing you in real time. Its just a good, good word for one thing, but yeah, yeah. These studies were recorded live and include questions from his audience. And then, so the Israelites are referred to as sheep sort of all through the Old Testament, and their leaders as shepherds, because theyre these sheep who are now set free from Egypt and brought out into this new pasture, all of that symbolism. But the basic idea is that, as Leviticus says elsewhere, that blood is life, the blood of an animal is its life, so sin, this taint of sin and corruption, is death. Stephen DeYoung takes an axe to the root of the tree of Neo-Marcionite misreadings of the Old Testament prevalent in academic and popular-level biblical studies literature.Fr. Stephen De Young inquires into what they reveal about the nature of Christ and His creation. Not so great for the goat, but it keeps that from happening, which would be a very awkward moment. I dont know. Okay, perfect example; this is probably the classic example: Matthew 27:25, where the people say in response to Pilate, His blood be upon us and upon our children. Now, given everything we just said about the blood of the goat, and given everything you should know if youre a Christian about what the blood of Christ does, if his blood is upon you, thats actually good. Andrew: Thats fine. Thats for all of my Southern friends out there. Sometimes, yeah, thats interpreted Anytime someone puts their hands on an animal, thats interpreted as meaning that theyre putting sins on it. Did it eradicate it? Stephen dismantles, and one very dear to my heart. Thats why this is the day when everything has to be purified. Stephen: Yeah, and a solid 80% of kidding aside, the point you made about it being references to the Day of Atonement is again important. Andrew: So this is not a sacrifice in the meal sense that weve been talking about. Chpts 1-4 Corrupting the Image 2 Hybrids Hades & the Mt Hermon Connection by Dr. Douglas Hamp, Nephilim: The Children of Lilith: The Place of Man in the Ontological and Cosmological Dualism of the Diablo, Darksiders and Devil May Cry Game Series. But well get to that. I am coming to understand that the Orthodox view is the correct one. Collective Identity and Collective Memory: Deuteronomy and the Deuteronomistic History in Their Context, eds. And I looked this up: what is the earliest use of this word? Fr. Stephen De Young Easily the most important work in Pauline Studies, and likely in Biblical Studies as a whole, of the current decade is Matthew Thomas' published Oxford dissertation, Paul's "Works of the Law" in the Perspective of Second Century Reception. So, just what is a giant? To learn more, view ourPrivacy Policy. Andrew: Yeah, so theres that sense of domination of demons in the world, especially Azazel. The answer is that they had to invent a new religion. People have atonement theories. He comes specifically to do combat with the evil one. And so thats one significant element of this eschatological Day of Atonement, and this is the one thats particularly emphasizedits all in Hebrewsbut this is particularly emphasized in the Johannine literature. Fr. This is so cool. Yeah, so why? Stephen: Right. With this book, Fr. Fr. This paper explores a possibility that may not have been previously considered that the wife of Ham (one of the sons of Noah), who was one of the individuals present on the ark, was born from Nephilim stock. Stephen: Yeah Heres where I have to say thats a mis-translation. Stephen: I love it when a plan comes together. [Laughter] I dont know. All right. Stephen: Thats the indictment thats sort of read over Azazel before he at this eschatological Day of Atonement. Andrew: Yeah, it was created for English Bibles to translate a couple of words, one from Hebrew, one from Greek. Stephen often asks is not What does this mean? but What does this do? And that is the most important question to ask when youre looking at ritual in Scripture, and then, of course, as ritual gets repeated and reused and all of this kind of stuff in the rest of Scripture and in the Church Fathers and the divine services and so forth, what does this actually do? Andrew: Yeah, because if theres anything God does not want you to do, its worship anything, anything else. Stephen: Yes, of material objects and physical space. Theosisbecoming like Godis perhaps the best-known understanding of . I read your dissertation, and its magnificent. Andrew: Leave reviews and ratings, but, most importantly, share this show with a friend whom you know is going to love it. [Laughter]. Whats going on there? Stephen De Young's Bible Studies, thank you for your patience. Oh, man, whats happening here? [Laughter] I just need to read this word. Stephen: So that, through death, he might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, namely, the devil: destroy the devil. So lets talk about what St. John says about this. This isnt just an intellectual maneuver; this is something we can experience and participate in in real time, and thats what Lent and Holy Week and Pascha are going to be all about. The A-Team. I had always assumed that the doctrine of the Blessed Trinity took time to develop, and that the apostles wouldnt have been explicit Trinitarians. Andrew: Right, because, again, what is sacrifice? Andrew: All right. Fr. But if we understand purification just in this kind of reduced sense, without all of this atonement imagery from the Day of Atonement ritual and then the eschatological Day of Atonement, then we can tend to look at Christian life as a kind of self-help program. This concerns the oft-neglected area of St. Paul's own personal practices of prayer and piety, and how this . Fr. Andrew: No, I dont think so, but yeah [Laughter] Hello, all of you Jonathan Pageau fans out there. Okay, sono, its good. It makes no sense. Its just regular I mean, the tent-covering of the tabernacle was made from goat hair. So that spacewe talked last time, when we were talking about the other offerings, that there are sort of concentric circles, and that the closer you get to where God is dwelling So God is dwelling in the holy of holies in the tabernacle, so that is the place where the threat of this corruption is most dire. Fr. And what this results in, in all three of those texts I mentionedthe book of Enoch, Slavonic Enoch, and the Apocalypse of Abrahamis that theres going to be this eschatological Day of Atonement, meaning weve got this annual Day of Atonement that we do every year thats sort of managing things, because every year we go and we sin a bunch more and then we have to do it again, this vicious cycle of purifying this limited sacred space. Andrew: There you go: the Day of the Covering. But of course, what is impossible for man is possible for God. Fr. Stephen: Its important to cover that because reading a lot of things back into that word did not stop with the King James translators who were doing their best and sort of didnt know any better. What we want is not just to understand salvation but to experience salvation, and understanding the cosmic realities and how we come to participate [in] them, ritually and every other way, is the way that that experience becomes real to us. Fr. Islam, in: Encyclopedia of the Bible and Its Reception (EBR), vol. Item No. Fr. Yeah, yeah. So the first thing the high priest has to do is he has to, in order to prepare to enter the space, offer a whole ton of incensenot a little, not one scoop. Mike Schmitz), Let's Read the Gospels with Annie F. Downs, Fr. Dont trust me: read the Torah for yourself. Fr. The answer, according to Fr. And I was going to say, I want to give a shout-out. Length: 2:12:00. 19, Midrash and Aggadah Mourning, eds. Fr. So hes not sacrificed to Azazel. Fr. Okay, were going to go ahead and take our second break, and well be back with the third half of The Lord of Spirits. But he was particularly significant in the understanding of both Judaism of the Second Temple period and early Christianity as not only the first sinner, as we already talked about a little bit, but also as a teacher of sin. Is atonement purely theoretical? It includes that, but the way that they tell the story is designed to teach you how Christ, in this case, is the fulfillment of what was given in the old covenant. This translation introduced a Jewish flavor into the text to make the Bible more Messianic. Later on in life Ive participated in everything from Passover Seders to Messianic services in an attempt to discover the Jewish roots of my faith. Yes, yes, yes! Yes, yes, I do have a question, and it pertains to 1 John 2:2. Fr. Fr. Im like, its: You have two goats And now theres going to be all these rumors: See? So that was kind of over-translated. Stephen De Young and Fr. The Nephilim were said to be a race or a group of people that had distinct physical characteristics of large size and great strength. Stephen: Yeah, I mean you may have to deal with this mercy-seat stuff, but now you know how that works, so youre all set for Leviticus. So what does it mean? But the Bible indicates that the Nephilim reappeared after presumably being killed off in the Flood. Fr. Stephen: And youll see it in even Orthodox translations, because a lot of our early Orthodox translations were either utilizing or aping the King James Version language, and so you can kind of see how you can get there, like if you go from a very developed theological idea, where you dont really know what the Hebrew word means, so youre thinking, Well, okay, God is enthroned behind the ark of the covenant, between the cherubim. Now, this doesnt mean, like, he was Santa, keeping a list all year, like the high priest was going around spying on people and seeing all the stuff they did and writing it down. Father Stephen De Young's comments on political converts "If you're a high church Protestant, and your denomination starts ordaining women, and that's the only reason you're interested in joining the Orthodox Church, if they had never started ordaining women, you would have happily stayed there your entire life, you should not become Orthodox. Just in case anyone wonders, I have not seen the film Fallen. Fr. Fr. Fr. Stephen is also the host of the Whole Counsel of God podcast from Ancient Faith and author of the Whole Counsel Blog. Fr. It fell into disrepair. The purpose of this paper is to examine the Biblical text tracing the seed of Satan, namely the Nephilim, and Rephaim. Consequently, Christianity has more continuity with the religion practiced by the Pharisees than what we know of today as Judaism.. And then he also takes away the sins of the world, meaning the sins that the people commit; he takes away their sins. Fr. How does that begin? Hebrews 9: Likewise he sprinkled the tent and all the vessels used in the worship with the blood. Can you hear me? This is a giant exercise of throwing the baby out with the bathwater combined with an historical amnesia propagated by lazy anti-intellectualism. Awesome stuff! ", Nephilim: The Children of Lilith. Just read the I mean, yes, sometimes some passages are very difficult, require a lot of interpretation, but when the question is, What is ritually done with a goat? you could just open up Leviticus and read it. Athanasius the Great, St. Athanasius of Alexandriain his work, On the Incarnation. Fr. Andrew: Aw man. Fr. 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And then, verse 17, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Isaiah the Prophet, saying: He himself took our infirmities and bore our sicknesses. So Matthew is saying this is now fulfilled, the Suffering Servant passage of Isaiah, by Jesus healing ministry of sickness and demon-possession. [Laughter] But, yeah, okay, so to wrap up, then, just some final thoughts. Send it out. And he arguedone of his most prominent arguments that he repeated again again was that penal substitutionary atonement is the only theory of how it works that has a mechanism of how it worksthats his word. [Laughter], Fr. When it comes to the biblical context, there are at least four issues to consider: Some English versions translate two Hebrew words by using the one vague, generic, subjective, and, I submit to you, un-biblical term giants. Fr. Stephen De Young from Lafayette, Louisiana. Fr. Fr. Indeed, under the Law, almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. That last part, of course, often gets quoted out of context. Stephen: In fact, its canonically forbidden to bring livestock into the church. Fr. I am the biggest nerd anyone will ever meet. Fr. Fr. Stephen offers a firm, yet never harsh or condescending, corrective to any interpretation of the Old Testament that seeks either to allegorize or demythologize . They werent sitting there with the knife, and keep the fire going at the burnt-offering altar, because someone might show up with a pigeon. Fr. And the ark he would dip his index finger in and then sort of whip it in order to sprinkle the blood onto the ark itself. [Laughter]. These are just a few examples of how Fr. Stephen: Yeah, and note that its not just Jews who are doing these Day of Atonement things. He is also the author of The Whole Counsel Blog on . So where does that word? Andrew: Yeah, probably. The Religion of the Apostles: Orthodox Christianity in the First Century I expected the book to be my final vindication in dozens of ongoing debates with well-meaning brothers and sisters who keep telling me that knowledge of the Second Temple period (roughly the period in Jewish history from the reconstruction of the Temple at the time of Nehemiah through it its destruction in AD 70) is neither necessary nor helpful for understanding the New Testament. So the goat for Yahweh has to be perfect, blameless, without blemish, pure, no broken bones. Fr. . Stephen De Young, have been podcasting together recently and shared about these five-ish angelic falls. They meant, at the time, was putting man and God together at one. That was the intention. Fr. Fr. Yeah, and then again Hebrews 10: How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the one who has trampled underfoot the Son of Godand heres the important part here, for our purposesand has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified and has outraged the spirit of grace. So, again, the blood of the covenant does this sanctification. [Laughter]. What happens next? Andrew Stephen Damick, Fr. I think thats the King James Version, at the beginning of Acts. But Im not sure that the body of the book establishes this. Father Stephen De Young, creator of the popular The Whole Counsel of God podcast and blog, traces the lineage of Orthodox Christianity back to the faith and witness of the apostles, which was rooted in a first-century Jewish worldview.The Religion of the Apostles presents the Orthodox Christian Church of today as a continuation of the religious life of the apostles, which in turn was a . Okay, by all means. The Very Rev. Photius: Yes, sir. Stephen: Yes, but this is the biblical, actual Azazel, so Denzel Washington and John Goodman cannot help you. Fr. Andrew: It was. 15K views Streamed 1 year ago Fr. Fr. Epiphanes? [Laughter]. And when we were talking about this, you mentioned that, in terms of the actual construction of the language there, its a parallel construction, that Yahweh and Azazel are being used in parallel. Stephen De Young begins the discussion of Revelation, Chapter 12. Theyre continually in the Temple, praising and blessing God. Photius, are you there? Fr. Fr. Stephen: Thats a reference you probably didnt get, but you laughed anyway. Stephen: And historically, especially with 1 John, its important to note that the general epistles, which is all those letters that St. Paul didnt write, the general or catholic epistles, the ones written by other people, out of all of those, in the very early history of the Church, were being utilized by some churches and not others. If you go through something, for instance, and you experience it as a kind of harrowinga purification, a cleansing, a cleaning-outas were now about to enter into Great Lent, its is a process of purification, I mean, that is what Great Lent among other things, that is what Great Lent is. Stephen: Everyone loves to read Leviticus. The primary focus in this essay will be on The most significant biblical passage for the fallen angels tradition . Stephen: And this corruption means, and brings these things under the power of, the hostile powers that dwell out in the wilderness or that rule over the nations that are at work outside. Andrew: Hey, Dan. Stephen: Maybe it was once used to cover something. Stephen: The corruption of the earth, of the whole world. Fr. What do we need this for? But if we understand it as covering, which is the perfect word, because were about to talk about what this actually does, but the concept is based on this idea that there is sacred space that has been set aside for the holiness of God to be present there with the people, but that the peoples sins interfere with that, that they actually stain the place.
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