Confess with your mouth and believe with your heart, which will result in fruit. The holidays and false beliefs, & man made traditions. I should also be open to the Holy Spirits voice to give Word according to His perfect will. Only by Gods grace, strength and help have I made it thus far. Youre Blocking Your Blessings. Do you all really believe this? If youre not condemning some of these actions youre condoning them on some level and in doing so youre misleading the sheep. It is a common practice to protect corrupt ministers.Many believers have been deceived into thinking if someone exposes a falseteacherthey are literally fighting with God himself. I wound up joining a large and much For forty years I have argued against and resisted all things charismatic. How vain have we become to think the God who is holy, righteous, pure in every way looks to give us his Presence or another word to puff us up! Then blaming everyone else when were sick and spirituality unhealthy. Sounds like the biggest thing you dealt with were these false words of the Lord. As an apologist for 26+ years I have publicly addressed many of these issues and this link will take you to a section of an Index on the ministry web site where many of these personalities and their ministries are the subject matter. to a lack of maturity. Hi, Im Lazarus Chetty, from Cape Town, South Africa. Contrary to what some people believe, our church is not a cult! We had a great pastor. I had done everything I knew how to If there were a proper fear of the people of God, we would live very differently. I can tell you of some corrupt Baptist Churchs which have left the Faith and embraced the Homosexual agenda. "In the same way, the [Holy] Spirit HELPS us in our weakness. It was then that I truly knew God was real to me. I was going to hell for everything. Im excited to read your testimony and I know how it feels. I told him that did not line up with scripture but he assured me God had spoken to him. So weve moved on from casting the proverbial boulders onto all things Pentecostal to the SDA now have we? They claim you are speaking out against the Lords anointed. Im so sorry to hear about your experience. came. It looked like a safe place to go. 5:7 we are to live by faith and not by sight. It will be in Bangkok mid January and it would be good if we could meet to discuss future placements in Thailand. According to most Sola Scriptura folk, a good many of whom are Calvinist/Cessationists, if it isnt in the bible then it isnt right. Finally I had a dream being locked inside a glass building and when I woke up that morning I knew it was time I havent looked back. Unfortunately the pastor has been influenced by these things whether he sees it or not. God help us and anoint us with His Holy Spirit to make a difference for the Kingdom and in this world. Greet believers at church. Well , Im not into Peter Wagner or Bob Jones or most of the TBN (LBN) group. Surely you cannot blame me. When I heard these false teachings, the Holy Spirit would always put a check in my spirit and it drove me to study the Scriptures to see if what they were saying was true. It does not state that if you dont speak in tongues you are going to hell. which is false. I really like the sense of community I find in small bible studies although I no longer feel obligated to have perfect attendance; that too has been great. It is a very disorienting thing to walk away from a long held belief and a system you have promoted and loved for many years. Cool Dress I saw in episode of Somewhere Street on NHK-Japan Ready-to-Drink Starbucks Pink Drink Coming Soon to Grocery Shelves Nationwide. Whatever pain I had I had tasted that discipline before, but I knew it was nothing compared to what was That was rough after coming from a church where relationships were so central to church life. We made sacrifices for the good of the church. With each They weren't shy They had a lot of positive press coverage. May God lead you on, for there is much more to come. However, it might not be Gods will to hear that particular scripture. Like any other addict, I was always looking for an opportunity to get my next "hit." After many struggles in high school and going down the path of heavy drug use, I ended up in trouble with the law and found myself bewildered and sitting in jail. We did a bible study. View all posts by puresola. I was very hurt that someone deceived me and tagged Gods name to it. We Christians moan about a lot of ungodly areas of our lives whether in the media, schools, business etc. to try to direct the personal lives of the congregation. I have also noticed music is a main attraction in church; Ithas replace bible studies. Our Church actually phased out Sunday morning bible studies and the Wednesday night ones were more secular than anything, I would call it positive philosophy. Ihave a storehouse full of wonderful memories but it has strayed like a boat without a compass; ever so subtle without even realizing it. I live in Bangkok and most churches are like this. When you are leaving it can be overwhelming. without the support of the church leadership. Take the fish and spit out the bones. exactly keep. You are NOT alone and as deception continues to increase in Churches, God will bring more out. What is it about men being embarrassed by a woman in front of their friends that makes them angry? My initial meeting with the leadership was brutal. Subsequently, I could look beyond the experiential and look at Christ. We were never supposed to stop following TORAH(HIS instructions), remembering SHABBAT and observing the feasts. Thank you for sharing this. And it was safe. They belonged to eachother for the mere fact that they follow christ nothing else just that. One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is discernment. Anyways, you know this. Why isnt being a patient sitter illegal yet? I remember being in a church service with my hands raised singing a love song to God and realizing I was so lost. There is an airof spiritual elitism aboutit. I believe God can heal if you pray and He wills it. Now what they don't point out is that, the tongues the disciples spoke was actually Earth languages. The reason some people leave Pentecostal churches isnt because of Pentecostalism but because of Christianity in general. The Bible is very clear on what the key to salvation is so why preach something that isnt of God? My Conscience is clear. Let me know in the comments below your encounters with false prophets!https://orthodoxwiki.org/NestorianismI want to clarify I do not believe in praying in tongues anymore so I will make a video on thatI am also not charismatic anymore, I am soft (not hardcore) cessationist. Only the blood of Jesus Christ saves. Certain pastors and leaders were held up as heroes in Im grateful for my experiences and grew in the Pentecostal church regardless of the imperfections. However, this is the same in very many churches of a more traditional nature. Titus 1:9 (ESV) He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound[fn] doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it. ever been sick in the first place. Slaughter is a bad doctor, therefore ALL doctors are bad. He wasn't just something I talked about anymore. If its not in the Bible that speaking in tongues is a requirement to get into heaven why do people believe this and why is it being preached? Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears. leave before it was over -- you might miss a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to have an encounter with I dont know where we will end up on Sunday mornings, but we will attend with a new level of discernment, awareness, and worship. (scripture alone) That was a hard lesson I learned this year. sin in your life. They didn't use "prophetic words" a call to action. I do know how you feel. Young people mimmick their piers. She had a new revelation which trumped the Bible. Why is putting bones in our mouths to spit out even considered an option. I spent hours in study in those days which laid a biblical foundation before I went to Bible College. Praise Godanother life freed from that bondage from hell. healing. This is my story. Paul wrote to all the believers in one town. In fact, things just kept getting worse there. This dude led a whole bunch of people astray which hurt many. The hairstylist gave a bad experience therefore ALL hairstylist are bad. That's too much for children and people look at me crazy when I tell them about my childhood. Thank you, its so wonderful to know we are not alone in our journey. They like use the Acts verse/s about when the disciples were all filled with the Holy Spirit and then they all spoke in tongues. His word is the Truth. I never said we should not contend for the Faith nor do I refrain from exposing and rebuking error and sin when needed. May you all be blessed and may your relationship with the Lord grow daily. leadership believed that they were able to receive very specific verbal direction (called "prophetic words" or "words I will certainly look it up. Its so devastating. It's a historic day. Thanks. you "talked the talk" long enough, you'd "walk the walk" eventually. Flee the hirelings and the organized mess that only wants converts to their denomination. Jesus is pulling a lot of out. I dont trust a person who loves or likes dominos pizza. Have you ever met someone on Social Media and started dating them? So that is why I'm going to recommend some reading that will surely help you in your quest to find your faith again. The trouble all starts because God never intended for the Body of Christ to be maintained as a business. But He did not say you all of you are apostate and lost and going to Hell. Everyone at our church always has their bible out so that they know where to seek the Lord. 'My principal concern,' writes John MacArthur, 'is to call the church to a firm commitment to the purity and authority of the Scriptures, and thereby to strengthen the unity of the true church.' From here I ventured to Pennsylvania for a couple days to stay with another couple who had previously left our church and whose present church had dropped out of the It was scary making the decision to leave but leaving and going back to my Bible church was like going from desert to oasis. Im glad that God opened your eyes too. But it doesnt make Gods wonderful grace and gifts any less relevant today. Romans 1:16 KJV However truth be told, Gods inspired, holy word really does satisfy a thirsty soul. I began to draw away in solitude for a season. (2 Tim 3:16-17). God is an illusion and so is this. Psalm 19:14 NKJV. You need both. The body of christ. I feel John MacArthurs point of view is more biblically accurate and very on point about this movement. What about Saul of Tarsus on the way to Damascus? Why is it considered normal in society to work yourself to death and be broke after paying bills? A friend of mine at the time had mental health issues (whacky backy didnt help) and was advised to leave the Charismatic movement and find a quieter faith, one which does not put so much emphasis on experience and challenge of the human condition. There we started studying scripture but the practice was the same as my previous church. I believe it was a culmination of things that brought me to truth. The sense of relief was palpable. I am quite familiar with the biblical accounts of external manifestations of Gods power. When there is a right fear of our great and awesome God it keeps us in check. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. John MacArthur is a committed Calvinist who vehemently holds to the cessationist view. We are Christians that worship on the seventh day of the week. I think you are taking my words out of context. Not all churches are alike and cannot be put into the same bag The Lord is calling his children out from the delusion and false teaching of the pentecostal movement, one by one. - What should we think of the Signs and Wonders movement? WHERE IS THE CHURCH? I still pray but Ive come to understand we must hold fast what is good and the greatest testimony is simply obeying His word regardless of the goosebumps. Jesus Christ is the Cornerstone that holds the structure altogether. Consider Zachariah in the temple in the presence of Gabriel. Everything from modern day apostles and prophets, signs and wonders, women in leadership, all spiritual gifts exist or only a portion exist today, social gospel/social justice, market place ministry (We Love Our City), 7 mountain mandate and on and on. You can use them to display text, links, images, HTML, or a combination of these. Feelings, such as as our emotions; within the heart are warned by Jeremiah the prophet in the book of Jer: 17:9 that, the heart is wicked beyond cure and desperately sick!, warning to the church, Do not ever follow your hearts inclinations! Because you said I would describe the modern church as apostate and I have left the harlot church system in my rear view. My point was that it is wrong to condemn the entire Pentecostal and Charismatic Movement just because if some bad apples in it. Sure there is false teaching and darkness but as Christians we are to take a stand for the truth and allow God to use us to reach a lost and hurting world. Take time to heal and be kind to yourself. I am writing this blog in hopes that if you stumble upon it that it will be a source of great comfort to you. In Charismatic Chaos, John F. MacArthur calls for biblical evaluation and analyzes the doctrinal differences between charismatics and non-charismatics in the light of Scripture. I attributed my lack of faith We all belong tp eachother. It was a Once we were all encouraged to speak in tongues and shout out our cities name as claimed territory In the name of Jesus. I left at 1.30am when the meeting was still going on. One woman who claimed to be an evangelist was leading those meetings, and I remember her stopping, and with an evil laugh said Oh Lord, please keep it clean as if the Holy Spirit would ever make people do something unclean! 9. And some in these two groups are generally those who condemn all Pentecostal and Charismatic groups as well as all teaching. Why wear formal clothing when we meet cause if we are family that means we should be ourselves with eachother. I wish you well and encourage you to be intimate with Christ every day. Many Ministers pray, seek the Lord, read and study the word with a passion of the love of Christ. "close encounter" with God. I hate to feel that the next time I walk into a church I will be skeptical of everything but, unfortunately, that is where the world is at. I received the Holy Ghost in March and got baptized in Jesus' name in May of 2011. Of course now I am a sinner.I failed because God wasnt enough. I would describe the modern church as apostate and I have left the harlot church system in my rear They love the Christian hype, self-importance of ministry, their calling, and their own desires. We learned then that most churches were going further and further from Gods written word. The deception is so clear nowit upsets me to see so many still trapped in this, and unwilling to see the truth! God has been so good and so gracious to meI dont deserve any of it! this is why many have lost their way. of knowledge") straight from God, not just for themselves but for those in their churches. Thank you for sharing. Mark G,please reread my statement. Hi Tim, I remember you from Bethel. and even Canada. Neither do I. Micheal I never said that. Some of the supernatural stuff started to seem I too couldve written most of this sisters blog. Care for them. I dont believe any preacher should own five or six houses and have a private jet. the seriously ill basically, anyone with a medically verified condition--they never got healed. The sad fact is so many within our churches today often love these hyper-emotional camps, such as; Bethel, IHOP, Christine Caine (from Propel) Graham Cooke, Mike Bickle, Rick Joyner, Peter Wagner and all the so called self proclaimed prophets and apostles, etc. I find that so laughable now to look at people who are expressional during worship as a definitive sign that God is moving. and it will lead you into much folly. I am still a believer and follower of Christ, I just view certain things a lot different now. If you call out a minister on their poor or even criminal behavior and present facts to back up your claim they either ignore you all together or get mad as a hornet. 1. Please dont derail the thread nonbelievers Corinthians speaks of speaking in tongues as a gift. I dont know how yall can lump Rick Joyners ministry into all this. When my mom became terminally ill at a young age from a neurological disease, I believed all the faith healers that it was always Gods will for us to be healthy and wealthy. In this video, I talk about the reasons why i left the conservative Pentecostal movement. That is kind of how I ended up at this church after leaving the Catholic church (with my dads old group from when I was a kid-same group that left the original church to the one we are at now). To encourage each other and pray for each other. They looked at me like I justkicked a newborn baby off a bridge?! As for the breathing, these kids are desperate for recognition and fame in churches, they mimic there idols; unfortunately Bill Johnson is held in high esteem among many young people. Be blessed. I couldnt break the hold it had on her. Its a mad house. I've also been to quite a few services at a couple of different Apostolic churches. I will be in Dallas, Texas for the first 3 weeks in January. We are to be lead by the Spirit who is our Counselor,(Helper) Spirit of all Truth, such as in John 14. WebWe would like to show you a description here but the site wont allow us. God bless you for writing your testimony. Shortly after, 2 more people left. If youre really looking for truth I would encourage you to visit http://www.jw.org. 5:21: But examine everything carefully, hold fast to what is good. We have decided to leave our current church as it has too many ties to Bethel, Sozo, & other things that do not pass the above litmus test. And: I have found another church but it still has some ties to Bethel type stuff. I learned to speak with confidence and passion in areas where I Im trying to to be patient with myself but I certainly have latent anger and questions. YMMV, What a wonderful summary of how God has been leading you into His truth and light. She is in deep and after a year I dont even know where she lives. Everything was done with excellence and professionalism. I look forward to your next post! Also, context is key with a lot of scripture, as is language. The Christian life is not about programs, it is about loving God and loving others (one another, neighbours, enemies) because we love Him and His love flows through us for others . I did my best to leave honorably and correctly, but it didn't matter. Marketing and Evangelism were interchangeable terms. Hope to have your readership. But you, dear friends, as you BUILD UP YOURSELVES in your most Holy Faith [in God's, , keep yourselves IN THE LOVE OF GOD, waiting expectantly for the MERCY of our Lord Jesus Christ for Eternal Life. I certainly agree with you and sounds like puresola does too. warm fuzzies. I will be agreeing in prayer with you Brother that God would heal any damage done by this Church and that He would guide you and your family where you need to be. If things are that bad at that Church I would encourage you to leave and seek a Church that preaches the Word. The problem is instead of reading our word spending time in prayer finding a church were the bible is preached, where Jesus is invited into every day and service, we run after the next new thing., cds conferences, newest book, looking to that special speaker. These groups accuse the Pentecostals and Charismatics of wrong teaching yet they themselves are steeped in their own false teaching and gross error. There was constant talk of apostles and prophets that God was raising up in these last days. Now I know God. I watched Mr Johnson do this on a you tube sermon in my research and it was something a young prayer team guy did when praying over me. When I read that it was like I saw it for the first time, I mean truly understood it. I could have written every word. Its a cult, mixing faith and law to keep you saved. Everyone has ideas, come from different backgrounds and have varying levels of faith. We need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the dirty bathwater. I dreaded that conversation more than a whole mouth full of root canals. Praise YHWH. When prophesies and words of knowledge didnt come to pass, it was blamed on some great sin in our family. When I reached that point for the first time, I was discouraged but instead of walking away, I coming. I felt guilty. This only means something to people old enough to remember the time before digital cameras, when you took a roll of film and had to have it developed into photographs. But I didn't get it right next time, or the time after that, or the time after that. The final straw for me, and the reason I finally left my church of 25 years, was due to the lying and deceptive nature of the pastor. For a number of years before I finally left I was unhappy with a number of things, but couldnt bring myself to a point of decision. having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? would melt away. Also, have heard and seen gossip. So, corruption is not just in the Pentecostal circles. This was a result of the fulfillment of the promise Jesus gave to He is aware of these things and says he doesnt agree with themthat he just preaches the gospel. The charismatic movement of the past quarter-century has made an impact on the church unparalleled in history. http://bible.com/1/act.20.29-32.kjv, .Last thought: the charasmatics seem to think that falling on the floor and flailing like a fool, or giving some silly, vain super-positive prophecy solely designed to flatter the hearer and build up the recipient in the flesh, is the power of God. My questions didn't just melt away, but I learned how to talk as if they had. What once nurtured my innocent soul began feeding it imitation meat and I ended up in darkness and delusion. In genuinely trying to reach people, and turn away from the legalistic and judgemental actions and teachings of the past, the church has tried to attract people by becoming like the world and has frequently merely resulted in the creation of a new, more wholesome (hopefully) social club. One last thought, Colossians 3:2 Think of the things of heaven, not the things of earth.Therein for me is the crux I want to fill my thoughts ie my life with Godly thoughts, put on my new nature and be renewed as iI learn to know my Creator and become like Him.

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